Friday, June 3, 2011

Martin City Brewing Company

As I write this the last minute scramble is on. Tables are being positioned just so, napkins and silverware are being rolled, food prep is happening, kegs are being tested, beer is being iced. At 11:00 the doors are going to open and a couple of guys, Matt Moore and Chancie Adams, will have fulfilled a dream, the opening of a brewpub.

Martin City Brewing Company (500 E. 135th St., KC, MO) is opening their doors to the general public at 11:00 today. They'll be serving a far south Kansas City need for a great place with great beer. The plan is to eventually brew their own beer, but for now, they're just serving the best selection of beers for that part of town. On tap today will be Stone Arrogant Bastard, Avery White Rascal, Bell's 2 Hearted Ale, Nectar IPA, Lagunitas IPA and Little Sumpin' Sumpin' (they have great taste in beer), 3 Boulevards, Odell 90 Schilling, Anchor Steam and more. They'll have over 50 bottled beers and 20 more big bottles of beer, a good start.

One of the Gents, Matt, is a chef on the line at Martin City Brewing. What I know about Matt is he wouldn't allow the Brewing Company to serve bad food and since he interned with Celina Tio at Julian he knows what's good and what's not. Some menu items that excite me are fried risotto balls and a shrimp po' boy. Combine a great menu with a great beer menu and you have a real reason to make Martin City Brewing Company a destination. Give them some love and business this weekend.

72 comments:

  1. I hate to be pedantic, but the definition of brewpub is not "restaurant owned by guys who intend to brew beer commercially someday".

    I know they are flagrantly/illegally serving homebrew, still not a brewpub.

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  2. John, as I understand it, they're working on registering for the licenses necessary to sell beer brewed on the premises. If the only thing holding them back is the licensing process for that, I feel fine calling them a brewpub. Nowhere in the post did I say that they were brewing beer on the premises, in fact, I said that they were planning on eventually brewing their own beer. I didn't see the point of being picky about the choice of words between gastropub and brewpub.

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  3. Brewpub has a very specific meaning.

    Frat boy lingo aside, brew is a verb, not a noun.

    Brewpub and "Brewing Company" are misleading. The fact that the owners are so sloppy about details clues me in that they don't know what the eff they are doing.

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  4. John, half the people in martin city would be scared by the name gastropub, this isn't a highly refined beer market yet. By calling it brewing company they will appeal the a larger market.... and they are working on becoming legit, its a long timely process and I'm sure that being up and running as a pub will help them acquire the capital infusion necessary to purchase their brewing equipment and secure licenses.

    Quit inhaling off your mead volcano, calm down, and grab a good brew (haha) and enjoy that the craft beer scene is growing in Kansas City. Hater.

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  5. It also annoys me that they call themselves "Brewing Company" when they don't brew their beer (yet). Will this be like Dead Canary, where we're told it's just a matter of time before it's up and running and then nothing happens? Do they even have the brewing equipment? Have they applied for the license yet?

    I don't want to be a "hater", but it is a pet peeve of mine. I hope that they brew great stuff, and I will give them my business when they do brew. But the whole "Brewing Company" thing when they don't brew bugs me. A lot.

    I wish them the best, and I'm glad they have a nice tap list, but I'm hesitant about this.

    (I also hate that the name "Barley's Brewhaus" as well.)

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  6. Dan, I do agree that it annoys me slightly, and I was slightly outraged at first, but I got over it and I'm defiantly not going full retard and claiming they have no clue what they are doing like our commenting friend. I also agree with you skepticism but hope for their success.

    If they are making homebrew on site but not selling it does it make it ok since technically they are brewing?

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  7. Well, the fact that they are illegally offering homebrew at a commercial establishment does reinforce my opinion of what a white trash craphole Martin City is.

    As a legitimate homebrewer who realizes homebrewing is still illegal in two states and was illegal in Missouri until several years ago, I wish they wouldn't flagrantly break the law.

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  8. They opened an hour and a half ago, what makes you think that in that time they've served someone homebrew?

    Dan, I get your point about the name, but, if they're fully planning on being a brewery in a short amount of time, wouldn't it be feasible to just start off with the name Brewing Company? They're 98% further along that Dead Canary was, since they've actually opened a location and have a liquor license. Just because of one slightly moronic brewery failure are we to conclude that every brewery of its ilk in KC is likely to fail?

    I'd like to be all cynical about the whole thing, especially since a grown up named Chancie is involved, but knowing nothing about these guys other than knowing Matt the line chef a little bit, I'm inclined to believe in them until they show me different.

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  9. John, They have been open for an hour and a half, unless you are posting from the bar, how do you know they are illegally selling home brew?

    There is no law against giving it away at a private party as long as they are not selling it, maybe an investors party?

    I'm just confused as how you come to that conclusion.

    Because that would be no different than letting your buddies drink your beer for free or dispensing it for a group in a church basement.

    Better keep it under 200 gal friend.

    And what makes you a "legitimate" home-brewer? the fact you don't use a Mr.Beer? go all grain? buy a premium supporter for Homebrew talk? where is the line? I'd like to know.

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  10. I'm excited by this. Anywhere that serves food AND a good selection of beer is rare in the KC area, especially outside of downtown/Westport. I'll support anyone who tries. Most of the bars in JoCo and south KC serve macrobrews and usually 1 or 2 taps of Boulevard. That's not enough for us beer geeks. I'll definitely be giving these guys a visit in the next couple weeks to see how good the food is. Hopefully they can get their licenses sorted out soon so I can try their own beers.

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  11. Well, there has been more than Dead Canary, but that's the one I was thinking about the other day. (Unfortunately, I can't think of another off the top of my head). And I've been to other places that said they were going to be brewing, and it took them well over a year to have their own product if they even did at all. Taco Tako/Big Island Brewery in Hawaii is an example of that. I know when I went to Green Dragon in Portland they told us they were going to start brewing. I don't know if they ever have or not.

    I do get your point, and I admire your optimism. I wish I shared it. But last I heard, they hadn't even applied for their brewer's license, and I've never heard anything about their equipment.

    I appreciate places that sell better beer, so I hope for the best. But unless they are brewing and selling their own beer within a couple of months, I still hate them calling themselves "Brewing Company". Especially when other brewpubs exist without having that in their name altogether.

    Okay, I will let it go. Thanks for listening.

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  12. I'm pretty excited about this, too, and will definitely check these fellas out in the next few days!

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  13. After we get this name sorted out we need to go over to those bastards at the Rieger Hotel Grill and Exchange. They're neither a Hotel nor an exchange.

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  14. John is KC's #1 Beer Troll.
    Good game bro!

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  15. I was a bit put off at first by the fact that they were calling themselves a "Brewing Compay," even though they weren't selling their own beer. I think we can all agree that if you walk into a place that touts itself as a brewpub, or has "Brewing Company" in its name, then you would expect to drink beers made by them.

    Now that I've had a chance to learn more, it is nice to see that they are planning to apply for a license to sell their beer commercially. I know that's usually not a quick process, so I don't think we can expect to drink their beer any time soon.

    A restaurant like this, with the tap & bottle selection that they have, is great to see, regardless of the name. I am excited that our town is becoming a destination for craft beer lovers.

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  16. This just in! The Foundry isn't an actual FOUNDRY!!!

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  17. and the Grass Pad doesn't sell pot. Bastards.

    Ya, got trolled, but I still want to know what makes you a legitimate home brewer, I might be labeling myself wrong.

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  18. I was just told I could neither get a tan nor tan leather at Tanners. CONFIRM OR DENY?!

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  19. All I know if I didn't read this blog, I showed up at a "brewing company", and they didn't have any of their own brew I would be pissed. But of course you wouldn't know that until you go in and set down. I share the sentiment of the other cynical commenters. I guess that makes me retarded and a troll. I wouldn't go into the Foundry and expect someone to cast me something in metal. But if I went into a "brewing company" I would expect some of their beer. Weird huh?

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  20. Granite City Food & Brewery is neither a metropolitan area where people live NOR are their made out of Granite... They do serve their own line of beers, but it isn't BREWED on site... They just ferment it. SO MANY LIES!!!

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  21. it's why I only eat and drink at Beer Kitchen. They have beer and a kitchen. Not going to let those assholes at Flying Saucer fool me again

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  22. Flenker, Beer Kitchen has always pissed me off because I thought it was going to be a kitchen made of beer.

    1:13 Anonymous, I don't begrudge you being upset by the name, we're having a little fun now. But, if they have a bunch of different beers and good beers at that, exactly how upset could you be with it. They're certainly setting themselves up for a bunch of questions from customers to which the waiters and waitresses will get annoyed with. But, I just don't understand trashing a place essentially because of the name which could very well be a good descriptor of the place within a year.

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  23. "In Old Norse sources, trolls are said to dwell in isolated mountains, rocks, and caves, sometimes live together, and are rarely described as helpful or friendly." The Norse ancestry also explains the love for mead.

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  24. I'm rooting for these guys. I understand walking into the place and looking for micro brewed beer and not getting it, but at least they are putting another good brew in my hand.

    Plus, everything is a PROCESS, especially opening a business. The first thing to be done is applying for the LLC (SCorp or something similar). A microbrewery isn't birthed full grown, it evolves.

    So, these guys, their product, and their name have my full support.

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  25. I guess I'm also part of the cynical troll retard group. Obtaining the proper liscenses and equipment can be costly and time consuming without a doubt, but it seems that the proprieters should have taken this into consideration and gotten everything finalized prior to opening. This lack of planning concerns me. When traveling, I try to only eat and drink at local brewpubs. If I were a random visitor to Kansas City and didn't read this blog I would show up wanting a house brewed beer, which is a reasonable expectation. Upon learning that a "Brewing Company" doesn't brew beer, I'd feel lied to and would most likely leave without ordering anything, regardless of how fantastic the beer list is. The fact that Granite City doesn't brew on site is the sole reason I have not tried a single one of their beers and probably never will. When this establishment begins brewing beer on site I will gladly give them a chance.

    P.S. I get what you guys are doing with the whole name game e.g. Flying Saucer, The Foundry,etc but using the words "brewing company" in your name is a tad different. It creates an expectation that the others do not. How would you feel if you walked into a (ficticious) place called "Westport Restaurant" only to discover that they don't currently serve food, but plan on doing so sometime in the future? I think this is a more relavent example as to why people are angry with the name than expecting Granite City to literally be an actual city made of granite.

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  26. According to Matt, they do offer some of their own brews now, but are not at full scale production. I'm not sure exactly what that means, but it does imply that they have the appropriate licenses but perhaps not the necessary equipment. Just passing along the info, maybe someone from MCBC can elaborate.

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  27. I guess John only frequents 75th Street Brewery (brewery on 75th street) too bad their beer mostly sucks.

    I like to think of myself as an illegitimate homebrewer because sometimes I brew outside my home. Well that and the fact that my dad was the postman.

    Seriously though, pet peeve or not, it's just a couple of guys trying to live their dream, don't hate because you don't have the balls to try it yourself.

    Cheers!

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  28. My comment did come off a tad harsh in retrospect. I do wish these guys all the luck in the world. This is a sure sign that the beer culture in KC is growing. I hope they can get the brewery portion up and running soon. It'll give me a reason to make the trip out to Martin City.

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  29. Yeah, and the more I've been thinking about it (and it's more than I should admit), I should be patient about the name. And not because they "have the balls" to do it, because that is a silly argument to dispute someone. The Pitch article about them stating something to the effect of them planning on applying for their license (meaning they hadn't done it yet) bugged me. Still does, but I'll get over it.

    But if they are brewing, and the license is on its way, I should be patient. I wish them luck, and hope their beers are a reason to take the trip out that way several times a year.

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  30. Why would anyone think I only frequent 75th Street? I didn't even say I wouldn't go to Martin City. I said it's not a brewery and it won't be any time soon if ever.

    The reason the owners are giving strangely vague answers to questions is that they don't have any licensing or equipment, and are serving homebrew illegally.

    Occam's razor guys.

    I guess there's few enough brewer's nuts to swing on in Kansas City I can see why you guys have to fight over what you can get.

    I do appreciate that one or more anonymous people like to try to slam me based on what they think they know about me personally. It makes me think I am getting to be big shit that I am so important to people. Maybe I should put up a facebook page and get some groupies.

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  31. Dan: Green Dragon has been producing beer since Rogue bought it.

    If MCBC sells a drop of beer that they produced under license in 2011, I will buy everyone who posted above this comment non-anonymously a round there and you can tell me "I told you so" while you drink it. I'll even wear a shirt that says "Kansas City's Biggest Beer Troll" on it.

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  33. Where is THE BEER LORD to sort this out?!?!?!

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  34. Tasty but they don't sell their beer, you can sample.... John, I wasn't attacking you personally but to say they have no effing clue just shows your bitterness. I'm sure your a great person....

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  36. I'm not bitter. Just cynical, and realistic.

    I've been very positive about other openings, just none in Kansas City.

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  37. John, it looks like your track record of cynicism seems to be misguided. In the time since I've met you or within that time frame, The Foundry, Beer Kitchen, Blanc Burgers and Bottles, Swagger, The Flying Saucer, Doodle and a couple of other beercentric places have opened. Other than Dead Canary, I'm not sure I remember a failure in that time. Maybe none of the above do things the way you would or operate in ways you wish they would, but none are failures and they're all, except maybe Doodle, mainstream successes. Also, in this time period we've had numerous bars greatly expand their craft beer selections. We're not Portland yet, and probably won't ever be, but we're certainly on the way to being a pretty good to great beer town.

    I just don't get the cynicism nor the reason for disliking a place stepping their way into being a brewpub. In this thread you've called them criminals and bad businessmen without setting foot in their place. I don't know these guys and they may very well be that. But, I think your only evidence is they're operating a business in ways you don't like, answered questions in ways you find lacking and might not be as polished in all things beer as you are. None of those things make them criminals or bad businessmen. You're perfectly free to have your opinion about the place and you know that I celebrate your right to express your opinions about the place. But, I don't think you've been fair to them and I know you've been a little too quick in a rush to judgement based on imperfect information.

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  38. I had just read the blog and these comments this afternoon and decided to go check out MCBC for dinner tonight. Alas, only in business 3 days and already their website is wrong; they are not open at all on Sunday. The site says they are open 11am-1am. How disappointing, as I was really thirsty for beer. On the flip side, hubs had never been to RC's for chicken, so that was a new experience for him--and we even got a free beer out of the deal.

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  39. I am talking about brewery openings. I guess that is confusing since this turned out to not be a brewery opening, though nobody knew that until a few weeks ago.

    I don't consider Doodle a success. In that, I don't think the beer is very good and despite the positivity on blogs I doubt you or anybody else is voting much differently with your wallet.

    What imperfect information did I have about MCBC? I was right that they don't have a license to produce beer (you claimed both that they did and did not in separate comments here). That's an easy one, as the state lists license holders online.

    I stated that serving homebrew publicly in promotion of a business is illegal. The only way for me to prove that to you is to ask the ATC to interpret the law in this case but I am pretty sure it is illegal and don't want to be a narc. If you are sure it is on the up and up, why not ask an ATC agent and post the response here?

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  40. To clarify:

    They are giving people homebrew for free. They're not charging for it, it's not on the menu, but they are asking patrons if they'd like some homebrew and are serving it in the restaurant.

    Additionally, the acquisition of brewing equipment appears to be contingent on restaurant profits. This is 2nd-hand information from someone who was talking to one of the owners Thursday night, so take that as it is.

    I would have no beef with these guys whatsoever if they opened up as Martin City Bar & Grill then later opened a sister business of Martin City Brewing Company.

    As an aside, I really laughed at the mead volcano insult. That's a new one, and I'm still chuckling over it...

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  41. Beer Me, I was also kinda disappointed they were closed today because I planned on going there this afternoon. Luckily I found out they were closed before I headed out there, but it was a pretty bad move on their part.

    John, I just said that since they were serving homebrews it implied they had a license. As of now, I don't think they have a license. But, as someone who's had a liquor license before, they probably know that they're legally able to serve homebrew as long as they don't charge for it. I never said they were breaking the law, so I never thought it important to check with Gary at Regulated Industries to find out if they're breaking the law. I may be naive, and Stella would certainly tell you I am, but I don't think that people set out to start a restaurant, spend all of their after work hours renovating a restaurant, spend a lot of money doing both, just to get shut down for a stupid violation of the liquor laws. But, I don't know, I never said I knew. It may be the worst place in town, I've never been there. I hope for the best, but I'm not going to bite my tongue if it turns out to be an awful place.

    Amy, I get being upset about the name, but I don't like people being called inept and criminal because of a beef with the name.

    I'm sure you both know to never take anything an anonymous commenter writes personally.

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  42. I'm not sure the mead volcano comment can be taken personally.

    Different states have different laws but it is apropos that a bar in Wisconsin was recently not allowed to go forward with an advertised event where homebrew was to be served without charge. So it is certainly possible for an entity that possesses a liquor license to misinterpret the law.

    Looking forward to some more reviews of this place. I've seen one on the Fat City post which was pretty negative about the food/service but he didn't mention anything about beer.

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  43. From a couple of conversations I've had with Gary at Regulated Industries, I find it hard to believe these guys wouldn't have had a conversation about the legalities of serving homebrew. Based on the name of the place I have to believe that it came up in the liquor licensing process what was legal and not in regards to serving unlicensed beer. Again, I could be naive. Certainly there can be misinterpretations of the law, but those don't usually happen in such a fundamental way on the opening day of operations.

    Your Wisconsin story notwithstanding, I just don't get how you can feel good about calling them criminal with no real knowledge of whether they are or not.

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  44. I thought I explained why I did not seek an authoritative opinion on legality.

    Since you are pressing me, I've asked the Missouri Division of Alcohol and Tobacco Control for an opinion, as it is State law where I believe the violation occurs.

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  45. I'm interested to hear the answer, I'm guessing there is a reason the beers are not advertised and have no names.

    And yes my mead comment was ment to be in good humor.

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  46. If the most ridiculous thing said in a comment section isn't the sarcastic disappointment in the Flying Saucer being anything other than a UFO, it might be time for some commenter self-evaluation.

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  47. This thread delivers!

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  48. You may not like that I called what MCBC was doing illegal, and you won't like this "I told you so" either, but since I was repeatedly attacked for not knowing what I was talking about, here it is from the horse's mouth. I can't make it more clear that I am right without letting Special Agent Hodgin know that MCBC is in violation of the law and waiting to see if his office acts. If we can't agree that I was right and let this drop, I'll go as far as necessary to convince the esteemed KC Beer Blog commenters that I do indeed know what I am talking about.

    Here is my email to Special Agent Joe Hodgin at the Missouri Division of Alcohol and Tobacco Control in quotes. I'll post the reply below.

    "Special Agent Hodgin,

    I am hoping you can provide advice on interpreting Missouri Statute
    with respect to a particular situation.

    311.055 allows to production of full strength beer (eg intoxicating
    liquor) without a license with several limits.

    Is it allowed for a restaurant which is licensed to serve intoxicating
    liquor to serve beer produced without a license (home brewed beer)?

    Specifically the beer would be served without charge and would have
    been produced by one of the individual owners of the establishment at
    home. Service would be during normal operating hours and available to
    the general public, and not as part of a private event.

    Thank you for any advice you can provide."

    Here is Special Agent Hodgin's reply. Hopefully this settles the legality issue (in my favor).


    "Mr. Fowler,

    311.055, RSMo. permits the production of a limited amount of liquor for PERSONAL OR FAMILY USE only.
    311.280 and 11 CSR 70-2.130(11) prohibit licensed retailers for purchasing or possessing liquor that is not purchased from a licensed Missouri wholesaler. A licensed retailer would be in violation of the law by allowing the possession of liquor not purchased from a licensed wholesaler – and – because the beer would be used for other than personal or family use, the beer would have been produced in violation of the law.
    Please let me know if you have other questions.
    Thanks."

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  49. For some reason this comment from John didn't post, so I'm posting it:

    John has left a new comment on your post "Martin City Brewing Company":

    You may not like that I called what MCBC was doing illegal, and you won't like this "I told you so" either, but since I was repeatedly attacked for not knowing what I was talking about, here it is from the horse's mouth. I can't make it more clear that I am right without letting Special Agent Hodgin know that MCBC is in violation of the law and waiting to see if his office acts. If we can't agree that I was right and let this drop, I'll go as far as necessary to convince the esteemed KC Beer Blog commenters that I do indeed know what I am talking about.

    Here is my email to Special Agent Joe Hodgin at the Missouri Division of Alcohol and Tobacco Control in quotes. I'll post the reply below.

    "Special Agent Hodgin,

    I am hoping you can provide advice on interpreting Missouri Statute
    with respect to a particular situation.

    311.055 allows to production of full strength beer (eg intoxicating
    liquor) without a license with several limits.

    Is it allowed for a restaurant which is licensed to serve intoxicating
    liquor to serve beer produced without a license (home brewed beer)?

    Specifically the beer would be served without charge and would have
    been produced by one of the individual owners of the establishment at
    home. Service would be during normal operating hours and available to
    the general public, and not as part of a private event.

    Thank you for any advice you can provide."

    Here is Special Agent Hodgin's reply. Hopefully this settles the legality issue (in my favor).


    "Mr. Fowler,

    311.055, RSMo. permits the production of a limited amount of liquor for PERSONAL OR FAMILY USE only.
    311.280 and 11 CSR 70-2.130(11) prohibit licensed retailers for purchasing or possessing liquor that is not purchased from a licensed Missouri wholesaler. A licensed retailer would be in violation of the law by allowing the possession of liquor not purchased from a licensed wholesaler – and – because the beer would be used for other than personal or family use, the beer would have been produced in violation of the law.
    Please let me know if you have other questions.
    Thanks."

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  50. I tried to comment here with the response to my email to the ATC. The post may have been too long as I included my entire question (I tried to be specific) and the full reply.

    There is a MCBC thread in the Kansas City forum at Ratebeer.com. I posted the full email exchange there if anyone is interested.

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  51. John, I tried to post it too and it didn't show up here. In short, it appears the regulator believes that serving up homebrew in a licensed Missouri establishment is illegal.

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  52. I wonder how 75th Street brewery handles their yearly homebrew competition and public tasting. I've always assumed, incorrectly obviously, that if they weren't charging for it then it would be okay.

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  53. Since I probably can't get the whole thing posted here, below is just the response from an ATC agent. I didn't want to eliminate context, but the entire exchange is at the ratebeer thread referenced above.

    311.055, RSMo. permits the production of a limited amount of liquor for PERSONAL OR FAMILY USE only.
    311.280 and 11 CSR 70-2.130(11) prohibit licensed retailers for purchasing or possessing liquor that is not purchased from a licensed Missouri wholesaler. A licensed retailer would be in violation of the law by allowing the possession of liquor not purchased from a licensed wholesaler – and – because the beer would be used for other than personal or family use, the beer would have been produced in violation of the law
    Please let me know if you have other questions.
    Thanks.

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  54. Thanks John, I saw your post on rate beer.

    I think private and family use is certainly open to interpretation but they retail establishment "possession" wording can not be argued.

    At least were not Alabama

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  55. Exactly. Don't forget that in some states, home brewing is still illegal. And there are a lot of people who would love to jump on any opportunity to impose their tee-totaling beliefs on establishments that serve liquor. We may not be Alabama, but have we so quickly forgotten the pretty intense crack-down on underage drinking a couple of years ago?

    It is always exciting to get a new brewery or brew pub in the area. In the same turn, it is disappointing to see reckless behavior that could result in temporary or permanent loss of a liquor license. You don't know if the patron you're serving home brew to illegally is a beer nerd interested in trying a new beer, or a liquor license inspector. You just don't know, and serving alcohol illegally is a mistake that can cause financial ruin.

    It seems prudent to encourage new business owners to follow the law, and point out when they don't realize they're breaking it - especially if it could ruin their business. And even more particularly, when it's a business that provides something for which there's a high demand.... locally-produced craft beer.

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  56. By the same token, the more people we can get interested in craft beer, the more political power we have. Instead of tiptoeing around not trying to to poke the teetotalling bear we should be positive and helpful to businesses opening or expanding into craft beer. Sure, pointing out illegalities is helpful.

    But, going around being pessimistic about every opening and event sure doesn't help things. From what I've seen around on this blog and elsewhere, you guys have been negative towards Hop Fest, Doodle Brewing, Wilderness Brewing, Martin City, Boulevard and I imagine Weston but everyone's down on them. I understand criticism and I don't like cheerleaders, but you can't dislike everything about the KC beer scene.

    Preemptive negativity is just a pet peeve of mine and I reflexively fight back against it.

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  57. I've never been pessimistic about Boulevard's Beer.

    I've also been positive about Free State, every Beer KC brand, Waldo Pizza Tap Room and Swagger.

    My negativity about the fact that MCBC intended to sell beer produced without a license and that doing so would be illegal was never preemptive. It was obvious what they were implying they would do, and my interpretation of the law was correct (Title 311 is pretty easy to read, as laws go).

    My negativity about Wilderness was very specific and related to the funding mechanism.

    I may have been preemptive in my assumption that it was amateur hour over there, but closing Sunday without announcing it wasn't a good way to demonstrate competence on the restaurant side out of the gate.

    What's problematic is that there is a group of people who think people shouldn't have opinions. I like a lot of places in KC (very vocally) and dislike a lot of others. You won't be satisfied until I like everything you like (and in particular, projects in which your friends are involved).

    Also, we are different people. If Amy was negative about 3 things and me another 4, that doesn't mean WE were negative about 7 things.

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  58. John, one little nit to pick here. I don't care what you like and don't like. I don't seek others' opinions about things and don't often respond when people disagree with things I do like.

    As far as ventures which my friends are involved with, I've been very clear, I know Matt at Martin City less than I know you. I never advocated for the place and said it was wonderful. I only wrote the post because it was a notable opening.

    Nate with Wilderness is a friend of mine, but that's not my interest in his brewery. My interest is in getting Wilderness started so I don't have to trek all the way out to whereever he lives to get more of his beer. I want to buy it at the store. If Kickstarter works for them, then more power to them. It's all a voluntary exchange so I have no problem with it. Your mileage obviously varies.

    You've probably left 100 comments on this blog over the years and I don't recall ever objecting to you having an opinion and stating it. I've certainly never went onto message boards or elsewhere to refute things you've written.

    I agree that closing on Sunday wasn't a great move.

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  59. Went to check it out Sunday... They were closed. Good way to startup a business. Close after your first 2 days.

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  60. So were they open today? and 821 your a little late to the show

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  61. Who goes to a bar on Sunday? Heathens.

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  62. Sooooooooo, how many people have actually been there yet? I can't be the only one doing God's work...

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  63. Sunday was my only weekend day in KC between when they opened and June 25. Bit of a trek for a weekday. I'll go eventually.

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  64. I was planning on going on Sunday and found out they were closed. A tweet or a FB message that they weren't going to be open would have been a good idea.

    Barry, you should have posted a link to your Twitter series <a href="http://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%23CSIMartinCity>#CSIMartinCity.</a>

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  65. I saw that yesterday. I am surprised that, now that it is fairly obvious the practice of serving homebrew samples is not legal, that ostensible friends of the business are documenting it online.

    When the neo-prohibitionists get their way, twitter is going to make it hard to keep a speakeasy going very long.

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  66. I did go on sat night, we had blue cheese bruschetta, risotto balls and chicken sticks. All were good, but the bruschetta won my vote especially with a pint of nectarIPA.

    The mystery beers (as i will now refer to them) were a smoked pecan porter and a Belgian that had gotten a whiskey treatment (not oak) and I thought both were good. The porter wasn't overly smoky and the nuttyness came through and the Belgian I think was a golden strong and did carry a nice hint of bourbon and a little peppery spice.

    It's tough to recommend going out of your way for some 2 oz samples so it's a good thing the food is ok and the taps and bottle selection are far different than any other place in the area.

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  67. Short updates don't really constitute the full experience. I'll likely do a more formal write-up at some point, but I try to avoid beerish things on any of the blogs I contribute to for the most part.

    As for being a friend, ostensible or otherwise, I don't know anyone there, except I've now met Matt. I guess would make me, at John's assumed worst, an ostensible acquaintance.

    Did I like the place? Definitely. Does Matt have aspirations for the business he's part of that I'd love to see succeed? Sure, he's a nice dude.

    CSIMartinCity was fun, though no one collected a Junior-ATC merit badge.

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  68. I meant friend of the restaurant in the "friends of the zoo" sense.

    Were you the last person to get the "mystery beer"? Might be something to tell the grand kids some day.

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  69. Helping to beat a dead horse, I know this is a beer blog but have you heard anything about the Dodge City distillery in Olathe? I'm assuming that they are making their own booze?

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  70. I went today. Loved the food, had other opinions on the rest... click my username for a full breakdown.

    I'm sure I'll go back, it's just a matter of when...

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  71. Okay, first and foremost I respect this establishment. Rarely do I walk into a restaurant and see the owners actively participating with their patrons and welcoming new guests with a friendly smile and open arms. I appreciate the fact that these gentlemen are trying to create a new establishment that is unique to Martin City.

    As for the ostentacious or adverse comments left on this blog, I find it appalling. If a couple of guys want to try a new business venture, let them. The world is overwhelmed with corporations and franchises trying to gain business by sheer volume, and outlandish marketing budgets. Oh and remember, it's better to be called a fool and remain silent, then to speak and remove all doubt.

    Good luck guys, I wish your new establishment the kind of success it deserves.

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