AUGH!! And stacked up on the floor at room temperature instead of in the cooler. That picture makes me cry.Any mini kegs in sight?
Wort, I'm not saying that they aren't stacked on the floor. I will say, without giving up my source for the picture, is that they were being delivered at the moment the picture was taken. So don't look into the picture as anything other than the cases were sat there for the check in process.I don't know of the presence of the mini kegs at this time. Hopefully some KC Beer Blog commenters will shed some light on their availability.
Does anyone know if the Flying Saucer is going to have another cask night for Hopslam?
Gomer's on Broadway says "tomorrow, weather permitting".... no news from the Saucer, yet, so check their calendar.
Gomer's South has it in, and they are tacked up on the floor at room temperature.
FYI, the distributor doesn't refrigerate it either. Although its probably not there very long.
Be sure to call Gomers Midtown tomorrow before heading over. I got on the wait list this afternoon and was told it would still be a long shot to get a sixer.
Columbia, MO got it in today. And as far as I have been able to gather... It sold out today. There's about 3-4 kegs in town being tapped in the next weekish. Best experience my palette has ever had to date. Got my 2 sixers at 10 this morning and they were going QUICK! Best 'o luck to my fellow hopheads!!!
Anonymous: It's no secret the distributors don't give a shit about the beer, it doesn't mean I can't hope that the retailers do (although in Kansas City that leads to almost uniform disapointment).
Do any of the Berbiglia shops figure into the Hopslam distribution process?
I invested $17.49 at Gomer's North and now the happy owner of a six pack. This stuff rocks. I justify the price by simply noting that if I were to down 6 of these at a drinking establishment, my tab would be somewhere north of $60.
I retrieved my mini-keg today at my favorite store: guess what Sierra Nevada Bigfoot is also out!!
I get where the hops in the cooler movment comes from, but it is just unrealistic. As for retailers and distributors not giving a shit about the beer, do you really think the brewers have a refrigerated warehouse and use only refrigerated trucks for shiping? I guess they don't give a shit about the beer either. Have you even considered what that would do to the cost of the beer? Think $17-$18 is a lot for a 6 pack of Hopslam? Add in the cost of brewery to customer refrigeration and you're shelling out $40 for that same six pack. Here's an idea, instead of bitching and moaning, start raising money to donate to the brewers, shipping companies, distributors, and stores so they can add the facilities that your little pipe dream would require. Let them know when you've got enough. Or you could shut your hole and start your own companies to do just that. Oh and since hop character is one of the first things to start degrading in a beer, stop cellaring any of your hop forward beers while you bitch about refrigeration. This whole topic is a great example of the difference between a beer geek and a beer snob, and nobody likes a snob.
Anonymous: I think you are a little fact challenged. A number of breweries do ship beer in refrigerated trucks. One of them is Sierra Nevada. I think you can find their six packs for a hair under $40 these days. Also the vast majority of breweries store beer cold on premises. There are also lots of retailers that refrigerate all or most of their beer. Maybe I am asking too much but there are retailers and distributors who do better and you're view of how breweries treat beer is not based in reality.
Fact challenged? This is part of the problem with discussing this topic. Some people don't seem to understand what a fact actually is. Nothing in my previous post is stated as fact. It is opinion, reaction to opinion, and speculation. A fact needs to be verifiable. I hear very few facts coming from those bitching about room temp IPA's. Since you were kind enough to actually provide a couple (I mean that sincerely, discussion is a welcome change), lets look at them. Yes Sierra Nevada uses refrigerated shipping(they also ship to states like Oklahoma where cold beer sales are prohibited in retail stores) and no a 6 pack won't set you back $40. But I wasn't talking about a $9 6 pack was I? Again Hopslam runs $17-$18. I can remember buying Sierra Nevada for $6. It is now $9+. Think part of that 50% price hike isn't paying for their refrigerated shipping? Now add to that the speculative cost for the distributors to build or expand their facilities and buy refrigerated trucks(don't forget the added fuel costs for refrigerated shipping), and the cost for the stores to expand their coolers/add the staff needed to manage it. That all gets passed on to the consumer. What do you think that 6 pack now costs? A "hair" over $9 wouldn't you say? $15 or more would be my guess. A price point likely to kill the brand. The vast majority of Breweries store beer in a temperature controlled area. Let's not confuse that with refrigerated. Refrigerated storage is cost prohibitive for many small breweries. For that matter most distributors and retailers have temp controlled storage for everything that isn't in the cooler. The only retailers I have seen that refrigerate "all" their beer are grocery stores and Wal-Mart/Target. Their selection is usually lacking and good luck trying to find a beer like Hopsalm there. They may be out there, but I haven't seen more.My "view of how breweries treat beer is not based in reality". How you were able to glean enough information from one post on one subject to reach that conclusion is beyond me. Is it possible you are jumping to conclusions that are not entirely based in reality? Again I get where the movement comes from, hell I'd love to know every bottle of wine I buy has never been above 55 degrees too, it's just unrealistic. In a perfect world I guess. I stick by my opinion that when you look at ALL of the pieces together, consider the money it would take, and the cost to the consumer, it's a pipe dream.
Sierra Nevada has used refrigerated trucking for many years so, no, any recent increase in price has nothing to do with that.Here is a list of a fewbreweries that I have been to that refrigerate all packaged beer:Rogue, Lagunitus, Anchor, Russian River, Bear Republic.As for stores that refrigerate most or all of their beer. Sadly there are no good examples locally, Gomers Lees Summit is the best. Blue Max in the Twin Cities refrigerates nearly everything as does Belmont State in Portland. These are two examples of the dozens of very good beer stores in the country that I think should serve as a model.As for grocery stores, you can walk into Fred Meyer (Kroger owned chain) in Portland and see about 100 feet of refrigerated beer. You can't buy Hopslam there, obviously, but you can buy Pliny the Elder, if that gives any indication of the quality of selection.Nothing I say I want retailers to do isn't being done by other retailers that I've been too. If you are satisfied with Kansas City being a second tier beer town and don't want to see us progress to where San Francisco and San Diego and Portland and Minneapolis St Paul and even St Louis already are, fine. I disagree.
You are still only talking about parts of the problem and not looking at all of the pieces. If your goal is to get a few retailers to refrigerate more beer, then what you are describing is possible and not what I take issue with. However the concept of brewery to end consumer (you didn't even mention the distributors) refrigeration without seeing the cost of beer go up is ridiculous. The argument your making seems to assume that everyone has the facilities to accomplish this. Did Fred Meyers have to expand to do this or did they already have the space? Do you think they absorbed the cost or passed it along in the prices all over the store the store? As for Sierra Nevada, don't kid yourself, they aren't doing it for free. Remember when fuel prices spiked? Do you really think those cost aren't passed along? It has nothing to do with being "satisfied with Kansas City being a second tier beer town and don't want to see us progress to where San Francisco and San Diego and Portland and Minneapolis St Paul and even St Louis already are" and everything to do with wanting people to look at the whole picture instead of pointing to rarities in part of the equation while as shining examples while pretending the rest of the equation doesn't exist. Like I said, anyone who feels the have all the answers to the dream scenario should start your own companies to do just that.
It's stupid to say I should start my own companies. What if I have opinions on beer and pizza? Which do I chose to start a company to sell? As a consumer I can express my preferences. I want to drink beer and eat pizza, not sell them.Let's address these questions.1. Is Sierra Nevada passing on the cost of refrigerated shipping? Of course, but as evidenced by them being about the cheapest craft beer on the shelf, it isn't all that expensive. 2. Did Fred Meyer already have the space? Along with many other grocery stores in Portland over the last decade as they have remodeled stores they have increased space devoted to beer.3. Are Blue Max and Belmont Station rarities? Absolutely. That's all I'm saying. KC's best beer stores are closer to mediocrity than rarity. You only need one or two rare stores to serve a metro. Portland has perhaps 3. I'll count Gomers LS as 1/2 of a rare store. 4. Distribution? I have little faith that there is or will ever be many good beer distributors. While I pray that we repeal 3-tier and let breweries control their own product the best I can hope for is that retailers care for the product and that breweries and retailers lean on distributors as much as they can get away with. There is no surprise that the most successful craft brewing states are those with 3-tier exemptions, distributors never make the situation better.
It is just as stupid to presume others should run their companies to your liking. Eat and drink all you like, express your preferences. Just don't expect others to invest their money into your preferences without it costing you in the end. If you have ideas on how it can be accomplished, share them. But repeating the "They did some of this so you should too" argument will not help this or any city progress. Ideas and work move an idea forward. So it comes down to a simple question, Do you want to complain or do you want to do something about it?The answer is usually complain, but maybe you'll be different. Best of luck, like I said before, I get where the movement comes from.
Hey all. I've never posted on here, but read the blog faithfully. I was lucky to have a glass of Hopslam yesterday at lunch at Waldo Pizza. Anyway, I made a call to a place in Michigan (yes, that great state 700 miles away) and had my sister pick some up for me. I'm going up the 3rd weekend in Feb. to pick it up (and visit). I'm putting out there that I would be willing to get more if anyone was interested and didn't have that chance. Let me know and we can work out details.
Any taps in town pouring Hopslam?
Pretty sure the Saucer still has it on tap. They at least have the tap handle still on the wall.
Late to the party here, but anyone know of anywhere in the Northland where this would still be available? I've heard great things. Love the blog.
Ben,Flying Saucer has it on tap as of yesterday, but other than that I believe you're out of luck until next year.